Shooters Party NSW Election Policies

A Shooters Party brochure in support of Roy Smith’s NSW election campaign is currently being circulated. It includes a dot point list of policies.

Although few shooters would quarrel with what is there, what is not there is perhaps more significant.

The dot point list is as follows (quoted verbatim):

  • Remove the ridiculous 28 day “cooling off” period.
  • Expand the highly successful Game Council model to include hunting in National Parks.
  • Re-introduce science-based duck and quail seasons.
  • Allow farmers to use licensed recreational hunters to cull kangaroos and utilise their skins and meat.
  • Reduce over-regulation, costs and red tape.
  • Encourage the Government to plan and fund new and upgraded ranges.
  • Remove the current difficulties faced by new shooters who wish to try the shooting sports.
  • Block any unscientific bans on fishing in Marine Parks.
  • Fight public-land lockouts for all legitimate users.
  • Re-introduce shooting sports and firearms safety into the public schools curriculum.

The question shooters will be asking is, is that all the Shooters Party really stands for? Most of these relate to certain types of hunting.
What about the ban on pistol calibres over .38?

Does the party support registration of rifles and shotguns?

What about semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, and pump action shotguns?

What about the prohibitions on who may be granted a firearms licence?

What about including self-defence as a genuine reason for owning a firearm?

While it likely that the Shooters Party candidates support these and the many others that could be added to the list, why don’t they say so? If they are not prepared to say so now, when they are asking for the votes of shooters, can they be relied on to say it in parliament when it really matters?

NSW shooters have had a representative in parliament since 1995, yet NSW still has the worst gun laws in the country. Could it be that timidity is one of the reasons?

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13 Responses to Shooters Party NSW Election Policies

  1. Redneck says:

    John Tingle was always more interested in securing his parliamentary pension than changing the gun laws. They even changed the regulations to accomodate him. That might have something to do with it.
    But is Brown any different? Early signs aren’t encouraging.

  2. One would hope that these items are not in the order of preference
    In my opinion point 7 should be point 1
    And point 10 should be point 2

    For unless we can encourage new members it is no good fighting for the other things

    Indeed we could speculate that current restrictive system was created to discourage new memberships
    It in effect discriminates, under the present system they are required to apply for a licence and join a club with all the financial burdens that this implies before the provisions of Clause 107 come into effect. No other sport has to apply such a financial impost to an individual before allowing them to handle sporting equipment.

    The Clubs are unable to compete on a level playing field with the recruitment of members when compared to other sporting organizations.

    I feel that provision should be made to accommodate those members of the Community who wish to try the sport with no substantial financial outlay; this provision will bring NSW in line with the other States.

    This should be made available only to Long arm Clubs with strictly supervised and controlled conditions along the lines of what is required in the current regulations however I suggest that one instructor supervise each shooter.

    Allowing more people to experience the sport will enable a greater exposure to firearms by a broader cross section of the community.

    This will help remove the mystique and Hollywood hype associated with them; public safety will be improved due to that fact that more people will have received knowledge of the safe handling of firearms under the control of qualified instructors.

    Long arm Clubs are in the position to provide this valuable service at no cost to the consumer, industry and government. The qualitative benefits to everyone from this proposal are apparent.

  3. Ross R says:

    What’s with long arms only? Pistol clubs need new members too.
    And all this supervision stuff is crap. The only legitimate point is don’t accidentally shoot someone or steal a gun. Why go into all the detail? Leave it up to the clubs – they know how to handle it.

  4. “….NSW still has the worst gun laws in the country…..”

    Nonsense.

    Western Australia has the worst gun laws in the country.

  5. Cowboy Joe says:

    I have had reason to ponder the negative side of trying to get firearm owners involved in the democratic process and stand up for themselves by writing a letter now and again to ministers etc.

    However, when Redneck emphatically states that JT was a do nothing; one has to despair. Compared to whom Redneck? JT successfully had at least 2 but I think 3 Bills passed into law. This is no mean feat. For a party of one person it is extraordinary. So whom can Redneck vote for; who will be more interested in his sport than R Smith? No one of course. Does Redneck actually think the Game Bill would have happened without JT? Redneck is a very good advertisement for teaching government in high school. The plain truth is that JT was very effective for us and was held in high esteem by many different pollies of various persuasions. The reality of the situation is that a minor party of one has to let the government govern. If they do not they will be sidelined to oblivion. Redneck should direct his frustrations in a some other direction and not at his mates.

    Can anyone tell me if the Greens have started a Blog to publicly air their differences to the entire world? If they haven’t perhaps some one could offer an explanation to why not.

    We may take time to remember what Phil Downey did for us all at the last election, both times I asked him why he divided the vote all he could do was chuckle.

    I can not begin to measure the dedication and passion people like Robert Brown have to have when I read comments such as Redneck’s. But I suppose Redneck could be a Green pretending to be a firearm owner. Anything is possible on such a Blog. What a great service.

  6. REdneck says:

    “JT successfully had at least 2 but I think 3 Bills passed into law.”
    What was the benefit for shooters? No, really, what?

    “Does Redneck actually think the Game Bill would have happened without JT?”
    What benefit is the Game bill? More regulations and public servants for a few people to hunt deer. It’s not needed in the other states.

    “Redneck should direct his frustrations in a some other direction and not at his mates.”
    Who are you talking about? Mates?

    “Can anyone tell me if the Greens have started a Blog to publicly air their differences to the entire world?”
    What is this, a mafia family? I own a gun, but it doesn’t make me a member.

    “Phil Downey … divided the vote”
    Eh?? No idea what you are talking about. This is a blog. Get used to it.

  7. Cowboy Joe says:

    Victoria has virtually the same thing, just called something else. Licence fees, rangers etc. Whats good about it? Heaps, I know plenty of people who think it is great.

    Not every one has direct access to private property. Conservation Hunting is an identifiable benefit to many non-firearm owners ie a level of relevance not achieved before. The antis often get blamed for their emotional positions. I see lots of emotion and few facts from Redneck. I would like to suggest that he ring the Game Council and politely ask them to explain the benefits but they are too busy selling licences and getting government land released for hunting.

    Most of the objections come from people who have come to believe the State Forests belongs to them such as those with Occupiers Permits and extreme Greens.

    Queensland had Deer listed as a KTP & because of the disorganisation in their firearm community they hardly mounted a response. Victoria got the job done.

    Just because you are unaware of the tangential benefits of the Game Council does lend credibility to emotional statements.

  8. Redneck says:

    More controls and licenses equals more public servants, higher taxes and government interference. No, no and no.

    ” ..Queensland had Deer listed as a KTP & because of the disorganisation in their firearm community they hardly mounted a response. Victoria got the job done. ..”

    What the hell are you talking about? Where I come from KTP means Kill The Pigs. What job was done? Are you from Mars or something?

  9. Cowboy Joe says:

    Key Threatening Process. Google it.

    You are right our perspectives are very different. But my perspective is quite close to a large number of people who work very hard for hunters. Sorry, I forgot to mention Canada, Africa, nearly every US state and New Zealand have controlled hunting on public (and private) lands.

    The Greens didn’t want the Game Council either so maybe you should join up, they are short on testosterone and huge waist lines (vegetarians you see) at party headquarters.

    Educating Keep Our Forests Safe members is one thing but I do not have the inclination to educate hunters (and the Antis who are watching) who have rigid points of view when they appear to have some very limited information to operate from.

    Since you don’t appear to be aware of who your mates are you probably are completely ignorant of who your enemies are and what they are up to. But I would hope that most people are aware that the possibility of 5 Greens in Parliament will not be a pretty picture for pet stores, farmers, dog owners and licenced firearm owners.

    I have come from wondering who “they” were in 1996, frustrated and victimised to where I am now ie having an optimistic view of the future for us.

    I do not know everything about what is happening and do not want to appear as if I do. But I would think that I know about 50 times more than the average hunter who turns up to his 2 meetings a year and doesn’t even volunteer to sell raffle tickets. These are most likely to be the ones who voted for Phil D and his Shooter something or other party as they could not spend 5 minutes determining the exact name of the party that they wanted to vote for. Consequently, they wasted their votes and our opportunity to have 2 TSP members in Parliament.

    Speaking of pigs, more pigs are shot in State Forest than deer; quite a few dogs as well. Are you one of the deer hunter boys that has been illegally hunting deer for ages? Geez they were disappointed when everybody else could legally enter their forest.

    I would think that millions of hectares of hunting opportunities would have the potential to increase the number of hunters, their community profile and as a consequence their influence. At least that is one thing the Greens are scared about.

    But you would rather have the Greens empire build instead of a Game Council — incredible logic. That could be the realistic consequence of being a Luddite. Are you sure you are not a mole from the Greens ?

    Keep your eyes open for some interesting commercials coming out in the next few months.

    Redneck, perhaps you could let the rest of us know what your game plan would be for our hunting futures.

  10. Redneck says:

    “nearly every US state and New Zealand have controlled hunting on public (and private) lands”
    But not squillions of public servants running around harassing hunters. Only NSW has that. Gee thanks.

    “The Greens didn’t want the Game Council either so maybe you should join up.”
    So anyone who doubts the game council is a Green? Jeez, that’s logical. If youre not with us your agin us, eh? Where have I heard that before?

    “I do not have the inclination to educate hunters (and the Antis who are watching) who have rigid points of view when they appear to have some very limited information to operate from”
    Quite right. Let the dummies eat cake. Who needs them.

    “I know about 50 times more than the average hunter who turns up to his 2 meetings a year and doesn’t even volunteer to sell raffle tickets.”
    A legend, you are. It’s amazing the government doesn’t just ask you for the answers.

  11. Cowboy Joe says:

    Perhaps you missed it — I have politely asked you to please give us your answers, solutions for the future.

    Have a look at some of the Fish and Game Websites for example, Wyoming Fish and Game. If what you see and read doesn’t qualify as complicated governmental control I don’t know what would. Any township with 5,000 or more population have at least one local Game Warden, who are armed by the way. At one time it was a $10,000 fine for shooting a duck out of season and a violation of Federal Law could be more now. Our game council probably employ less than a dozen. It is a gross exaggeration (lie) to purport that there are large numbers of bureaucrats harassing hunters on state forests.

    Maybe you have the Firearm registry mixed up with the Game Council?

    By contrast NSW has 5 or 6 game managers or what ever they are called. The population of Wyoming is at least 1/8 that of NSW.

    Not every one who doubts the benefits of the council should join the Greens just the ones who use or copy the Greens’ arguments. You are parroting them. They think it is a waste of money also. They think professional hunters are a better way to go.

    I am not a legend at all but I am objective and informed, that is all. I also believe that it is the first time we have been proactive and so effective that the other side have had to scramble to mount opposition. From what I have observed this is the opposite to what has been repeatedly happening since 1996 and before. In other words they have experienced how we have felt in the past.

    Honestly, Redneck, for the benefit of everyone logging on to this blog would you please clearly outline your objections and what should be done instead of OR in addition to the current situation in order to benefit hunting and hunters into the future. Ohterwise, this is a waste of time for both of us.

    I had forgotten, but since you have reminded me — if things work out as expected I will be suggesting answers to the state government in one specific area that affects hunters. No not the Game Council.

  12. Redneck says:

    “I have politely asked you to please give us your answers, solutions for the future.”

    I am not in your mafia or one of your “mates”. I just own a gun.

    “If what you see and read doesn’t qualify as complicated governmental control I don’t know what would.”

    The Americans don’t need over-governemnt either. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    “It is a gross exaggeration (lie) to purport that there are large numbers of bureaucrats harassing hunters on state forests.”

    How many bureaucrats harassing hunters on state forests is a large number? I reckon anything greater than zero is unacceptable. We don’t need anyone harassing hunters.

    “please clearly outline your objections”

    To what? I made a comment about Tingle and you came back with a mouthful of incomprehensible piffle. I just can’t see what he’s done for shooters.

    I want less regulation so I can just go shooting. I joined the LDP because they at least know gun laws are part of a bigger problem of too much government. The game council is a governemtn body too. Until governements are controlled, they’ll always control shooters.

    Goodbye CJ. It’s been fun.

  13. Cowboy Joe says:

    paranoia runs deep into our lives it’ll creep

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